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Social Uprising on the Horizon?

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We could use $7,000,000,000 to become energy independent. We could use the money in a brand new energy bill. The new energy bill would help guide a process that would pay for research and design, update infrastructure, give subsidies to renewable energy companies subsidies to farmers, and small business grants for start-up green energy contractors and the companies who would manufacture the equipment necessary for conversion. The bill would help create thousands of new small businesses which would hire millions of Americans, and help grow existing green energy companies.

I called for Obama, my candidate, to return to congress 2 1/2 weeks ago (before McCain) and it fell on def ears. Now im asking him to change his tone on the bailout bill and call for a new energy bill instead. Im right. Dont doubt it. The Question is.. are the people in Obama's inner circle capable of thinking freely or are they focused on bailing out their own "401k's" and other investments? Im gonna vote for Obama, because his core principles are the same as mine. His policies are for the most part innovative and progressive. But he needs to start thinking independently from his advisers. He needs to start listening to the people who matter. Me.. im as middle class as it gets. Im a sub-urban 25 year old white guy with a 2 year old daughter and a dog. Im in real estate, im losing money, I cant pay my bills, and my clients cant get credit. Im willing to sacrifice my career in order to stop this bailout.

Americans have lived off of credit for to long. We dont even remember what it's like to save money and pay cash for our homes and cars like our parents and grandparents did. Because of our credit addiction the dollar is inflated and the price of commodities has sky-rocketed. We need to become an ownership society again, not slowly progress into a bank dependent one. After almost 100 years of living off of a credit system which creates money out of thin air, our federal government and the federal reserve (which is no more federal than fed-ex) have proven that the credit system is flawed. Promoting ownership and reverting to the old monetary system which backed our money with gold bullion is the right way to run our country and is whats best for our people.

Because of our flaws as a people. Because of our flaws as a country, this generation, the most selfish generation must step up and allow themselves to suffer. We may have to go head first into a depression, but just like the great depression we will come out a stronger, better country than we were before. Sacrifice by our forefathers is what made our country great. Whether you like it or not, whether you are able to admit it to yourself, you know as well as I do that this country has lost it's way. How will history remember us? Its time to stand up, stop whining, and start being Americans. If it calls for social uprising we must meet it. If it calls for revolution we must revolt. If it calls for sacrifice we must suffer. Sadly, I believe from the bottom of my heart, this will never happen. Our federal government has divided, manipulated, and bribed our people for too long. The violent and non violent protests that made our people strong for over 200 years ended with a thud some time before I was born in the early 1980's. My generation is silent, oppressed, and absorbed by digital media. We are weak, lazy, and inebriated. This may be the end of the American dream. What would the great society of the 1950's have to say if they knew what a fat, lazy people we have become?

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{"commentId":3235478,"authorDomain":"georgejpp"}

what exactly do you propose to do, confiscate all gold in private hands? i think that a VP candidate in the 90's strongly believed in the gold standard, but had only a vague idea of how to implement one. obviously gold has been used as a hedge against inflation since the early 70's when the price was allowed to fluctuate with market value. i would imagine that trying to back dollars with gold now would just allow gold owners to profit unrealistically, or is that the intention?

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    Reply#1 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3235653,"authorDomain":"DustinKetchem"}

    Well Ft. Knox is full of our gold. never mind the fact that it hasn't been audite in the last 40 years but if it's not there it eans someone stole it. The American people own that gold. We only have $248828171, that is 8,133.5 Tonnes of gold or 282191 ounces. So.. $248 Million dollars wouldnt go far at all. We have printed s much money over the years that the term millionaire in some circles is used to call somene a peasant. We would have to ask the entire world to drop the credit system. It woudl take great lobbying and diplomacy but in the end, due tot he pending worldwide economic crisis, I dont think it would be too hard to do. The entire world only has 1022944 ounces of gold which is $901,213,334. So we would be still be the major super power. Bad thing is we have so much debt we would have to negotiate it back down close to 0. It would basically be like asking the entire world to puch the reset button on a bad game of tetris. The blocks are about to hit the top. Maybe the gold system wouldnt be the best but im sure there is a better way to back our money and stop inflation. we could start with an audit of the federal reserve, abolishment of the federal reserve bank, and take what little capital is left and pay off some of our debt. That would cause immediate deflation of the dollar. You still have to have a new monetary system to put in place afterwards. Maybe even team up with Canade and create a North American Currency. We couldnt allow Mexico to be involved but some Carribean Countries may qualify. Its just a thought. Im not an economist but I am smart enough to know there is a better way.

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    Reply#2 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 1:36 AM EDT
    {"commentId":3242233,"authorDomain":"georgejpp"}

    as with most other aspects of our civilization, our way of living has evolved to where we are today. i finished high school and went to university in the 1950's and sure don't recall any great social bloom. i got a student loan to attend university and got a bank loan in 1956 to purchase my first car. my brother co-signed the loan, and i was living at home. my first serious job interview when i was in my early 20's was for an expanding insurance company. the interviewer spent most of the time explaining the companies retirement program for when i was 65. frankly he terrified me! the notion of locking in my life for 45 years was nothing but scary. on reflection now i still feel that way.
    in the 50's school counselors advised students on either the university or general programs. the latter meaning a trade or semi-skilled job future. this was the way our forefathers lived i suppose and today we can look back and wonder if this was really 'living'. a lot of people knew that they would never own a house but most could buy a car. major economic and social choices were probably restricted to those with family or inherited money. my ancestors emigrated to North America for a better way of life and social freedoms. indubitably they found both. i am not sure what, if any, sacrifices they made.
    many of the technological items that we want or require did not exist then, so they were no sacrifice.
    my mother was stay-at-home because she had 6 children, home based employment was virtually non-existent and job choices for middle-aged people were few. she did not see her role as a sacrifice. she had a good social life and did volunteer work. they always owned a house, a car and even a vacation cottage.
    i am not sure what sacrifices made our society 'great' unless you are referring to those who gave their lives in the Wars. that was true sacrifice, and we have brave youth dying in Wars today.
    if you live in urban North America today it is unlikely that you could ever save enough to purchase a house. saving enough for a down-payment can even be a challenge. starter homes are usually in suburbs far from central business districts, this necessitates long commutes and more time away from family. many families cannot survive without both parents working. job choices and opportunities are great, but job permanence is rare outside the professions. children are being educated to adapt with technology and think with flexibilty which will enable career moves with ease. the work force is also being warned to stay mobile and to invest in continual educational upgrades. we have toys and gadgets, we are better educated, we read more, we are healthier, we make more money and we have leisure time. we travel more and we have world views and perspectives far beyond those of our forebears. we live in a world of incredible and expanding technological development. a small percentage of society may be lazy and inebriated and a small percentage may be greedy, money obsessed and anti-social. i don't see social revolution as any answer, instead i see involvement in the democratic process as the solution. get involved, stay involved. dedicated, committed individuals or small groups are probably the only effective instruments for social, political or economic change.

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      Reply#3 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
      {"commentId":3245454,"authorDomain":"DustinKetchem"}

      Compared to 1929 I am quite positive in my assesment that America was in 100 times better shape come 1950. Hence the fcat you could actually get a loan. I am not doubting the practice of borrowing money I am just stating the fact that making money out of thin air does nothing more than bankrupt countries. Fact Check me on this.. There is no civilization in the history of the World tha has used a pape money system and not gone bankrupt.

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      #3.1 - Wed Oct 1, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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